att.com/unreal naked dsl

[degarb]

Att has now $20 a month naked dsl. Couple questions...1. Does ATT add taxes? Is DSL as good as cable for voip? 3. How much for the modem and install? 4. How long will it be that price?

My cable is raising rates to $24 a month. So thinking of switching, since I refuse to take raises in rates on a product that cost them little or nothing to provide, every 6 months. (Like their $40 a month voip; I got two lines for zero a month with two separate carriers.)
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[OG1]

1. NO

2. Can be used for VOIP. The $20 DSL - ATA device must be adjusted for lower speed but VOIP is acceptable - Higher speed DSL recommended.

3. Zero. Modem is included and do it youself Easy installation.

4. One year, Year Two will go to $40. per month (regular rate).

Verizon DSL is cheaper and a better deal.

[degarb]

I think #4 is a killer. Thanks~
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[EasyE]

For the $19.95/1yr deal, I believe the speed is 768k down. Their website does not list the regular price for that speed, but it is probably $30 or so since the non-contract price of $40/month is for 3000k and $35/month is for 1500k.

 http://www.att.com/gen/general?pid=11523 

From their site, it also appears you must purchase the modem separately though you might be able to find it cheaper elsewhere.

 http://www.att.com/gen/general?pid=11575 

As far as VOIP goes, the cheapest package gives you 384k upload. I would think that is enough, but I do not have enough experience with that technology to give you a definitive answer.

[OG1]

You are right. I stand corrected. $19.95 is a one yr rate renewable plus $62 for Modem.

[Epheus]

I have ATT/Yahoo brand for 19.95. It has slowed a bit in the past few months, even so it's still a better deal than cable at 50+ a month.

I don't know that it is only for a year of service though. I signed up last year, and the rates are not supposed to change (until they have to change them to adjust for inflation like everything else you buy).

You can always purchase a modem from Best Buy, but purchasing from them is a bit easier on the wallet by a few dollars.

btw--where the hey do you live that you get a cable connection for 24.00 monthly? Wow! If cable were that cheap here, I would have it. Providing it doesn't change after 6 months or a year.

[OG1]

$24.95 - Comcast - speed 768/128 in NNJ if you request it.

[aci-john]

It all depends on where you are if you can even get the naked DSL. They dont offer it in some of their rural areas, even if they have regular DSL there.

They also dont let ISPs get naked DSL lines either, so they keep the advantage. Verizon does but its not worth it to get from anyone other than Verizon.

AT&T doesnt do the free modem thing anymore without a lock-in to a long term that makes the money back in the long run. I have the 3000K plan since the 6000K isnt available at home. They want $10 more for naked than if its on a phone line. This cost pretty much makes up for the money they arent comping for a phone line being there. a Regular DSL modem is 50-65 and a Wireless 2Wire router is 70-90 depending on where you get it. Mine was 79.95 at an AT&T store. And in the end it was worth it. Walmart carries them as well for a couple bux less when they have them.

The naked DSL is only worth the cost and averages out when in contract.

And as far as VOIP is concerned, that a hit/miss too - i have both free and paid service, but my paid service is was more feature packed, and runs better on lower grade DSL since it had more codec compatibilities.

If High speed was cheap to offer the price would stay cheap. "I refuse to take raises in rates on a product that cost them little or nothing to provide" Is a bit of a consumer opinion.

VOIP and High Speed isnt cheap to offer. It gets CheapER to offer with volume, but there is always a lot of costs, which is why jobs diminish or companies file bankruptcy or change up management. The most common intro marketing technique that pisses people off, will be used til the end. They know what price it should be, and what they want for it. But to get people to buy their service in the first place, there has to be a significant value, and to some people, its solely price. So they intro it at one rate, then slowly increase it to where they want it, or NEEDed it to be in the first place in order to conduct business. They know a certain percentage will switch up when they increase, but most people dont, and thats all they are worried about. If you provide a consistent product, most people will stay loyal to that product, regardless to price.

With Internet service, its different based on where you are. MaBell has it down on the DSL. You cant get DSL from anywhere but the phone company and get it consistent. Everyone else is reselling it, and this actually degrades the product a bit, since there has to be a control system in 2 places. Tween the carrier and the ISP, then the ISP has one between them and the customer. Always go direct on DSL regardless to the offer. less headache in the end.

Example: You buy DSL from NetZero. They are gonna open the circuit with ur phone provider, and because of their volume they might get a better rate than you could, or might have just given you a better equipment offer. But if something goes wrong, since they are a reseller.... You cant call the phone company you have to call NetZero, and since NetZero isnt paying a tech $35 an hour to come to your house for something they make less than $10 on, ur screwed if you cant get it fixed on the phone, because if they cant fix it by phone, ur paying whatever they have to pay or an inflated rate on top of what they will be charged. Ive had AT&T to my house 3 times over 7 years of service, and wasnt charged, because the service is direct. But they charge their resellers per hour to provide service on a resold line. And heres the catch... You cant just get pissed and say forget it cancel it, and call AT&T the next day... you have to wait for the circuit to be released. Rediculous it seems but thats how it works.

VOIP is the same way. Cheap to provide with volume. Inbound calls are easy to provide and a somewhat free rate, this has to do with "Originination and Termination" Outbound calls is what has to be paid for thats origination. termination is just the line to recieve the call. Thats usually a penny a min or less to buy, and with volume can be a fraction of a penny like $0.0025 so it can be offered free if done right. Now when someone can pop up and offer a large sum of outbound calls free id be looking at them funny. Im sure there would be a pro/con to that somewhere.

Example... I pay for outbound, and I pay very little for people to call me on a DID directly into an ATA. But if I make a call outgoing the cost is like making a long distance call. couple cents a minute.

Everything has balance. Remember that. There is no free lunch. A positive and negative to everything.
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[Epheus]

OG1 wrote:

$24.95 - Comcast - speed 768/128 in NNJ if you request it.

Thanks! I checked it out, and indeedy they do have it available here in MI too. They just don't advertise it.